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	<title>Comments on: Should MPs promote sports cars with high carbon emissions?</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 03:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon is entirely right to point out that it is the overall energy consumption that has to be taken into acount. Moreover, hydrogen-burning cars are said to be &quot;clean&quot; because the emissions are only water vapour. True at the point of emission, but where does the hydrogen come from? Of course from the splitting of water performed electrochemically using electricity maybe generated by oil or coal-burning power stations far away, so the impact on the atrmosphere is similar.

uk daily pundit: I can only gasp at your self-centred and blinkered views!  Orthodox scientists now agree that it is not a matter of &quot;whether&quot; but &quot;when&quot; and &quot;how much&quot;. Do you also believe that the whole of the world&#039;s curent biodiversity has sprung from what Noah could cram into his Ark? I&#039;m afraid the flat-earthers have had their day. This &quot;live now, let the next generation pay&quot; attitiude has got to stop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon is entirely right to point out that it is the overall energy consumption that has to be taken into acount. Moreover, hydrogen-burning cars are said to be &#8220;clean&#8221; because the emissions are only water vapour. True at the point of emission, but where does the hydrogen come from? Of course from the splitting of water performed electrochemically using electricity maybe generated by oil or coal-burning power stations far away, so the impact on the atrmosphere is similar.</p>
<p>uk daily pundit: I can only gasp at your self-centred and blinkered views!  Orthodox scientists now agree that it is not a matter of &#8220;whether&#8221; but &#8220;when&#8221; and &#8220;how much&#8221;. Do you also believe that the whole of the world&#8217;s curent biodiversity has sprung from what Noah could cram into his Ark? I&#8217;m afraid the flat-earthers have had their day. This &#8220;live now, let the next generation pay&#8221; attitiude has got to stop!</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps. All other comments eg Dishwasher/lawnmower etc are all valid too. Cut back on the use.

I  do not use a motorised hedge trimmer, and only  need to  cut my  lawn once a month (no rain)

Whilst  you live in a green, water full country and relish  in  higher temperatures. I live in a country  where i wash myself with the water saved from  my  shower (a bucket). We live in the Blue mountains of Sydney. We have natural  spring water which  feeds our tank supply. Its rate has reduced from 7 litres per second to  fill  tank. to now 1/2 litre a second. The bore is now closed 6 days out of every 7.

On New years day 2006 it was 54c in the shade where we were staying for holiday. The previous year was the hottest on record. This year will be hotter and drier.

I have never been a &quot;greenie&quot; in fact I used to  drive 6litre V8 performance cars.  Cars are HUGE image items here (  we have vast distances to cover) Yet I  have asked my  boss for a Hybrid. 

If we all did that, things would turn around...

:o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps. All other comments eg Dishwasher/lawnmower etc are all valid too. Cut back on the use.</p>
<p>I  do not use a motorised hedge trimmer, and only  need to  cut my  lawn once a month (no rain)</p>
<p>Whilst  you live in a green, water full country and relish  in  higher temperatures. I live in a country  where i wash myself with the water saved from  my  shower (a bucket). We live in the Blue mountains of Sydney. We have natural  spring water which  feeds our tank supply. Its rate has reduced from 7 litres per second to  fill  tank. to now 1/2 litre a second. The bore is now closed 6 days out of every 7.</p>
<p>On New years day 2006 it was 54c in the shade where we were staying for holiday. The previous year was the hottest on record. This year will be hotter and drier.</p>
<p>I have never been a &#8220;greenie&#8221; in fact I used to  drive 6litre V8 performance cars.  Cars are HUGE image items here (  we have vast distances to cover) Yet I  have asked my  boss for a Hybrid. </p>
<p>If we all did that, things would turn around&#8230;</p>
<p> <img src='http://elleeseymour.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you  all understand how they  rate just  how &quot;green&quot; a vehicle is? It is not just  what comes out of the exhaust. It is a combination of emmissions, fuel consumption, how much  of the vehicle can  be recycled,purchase cost, repair costs etc. Called &quot;whole of life&quot; costs...

Example:-  An Astra (  Opel? in  Britain??) costs about $20,000 aus.  A toyota Hybrid (called a Prius) cost about $45,000.

The Toyota uses about 4 litres per100km and is very  low in  emmisions.  The Opel about 7 litres per hundred &amp; higher in emmisions.

BUT it takes say 6 months of a consumer working, ie using food, fuel, lights, power etc to purchase the Opel.. against 12 months to purchase the Toyota.

More of the Opel is recyclable (the toyota has a large battery pack which  is a pollutant when  disposed of)

So, in tests, the Opel is slightly ahead OVERALL of the Prius.

(This is a very  simple model And just  one of the ingredients).

 However, I  sell cars at auction for the government and IMAGE is critical in  swaying popular opinion.  Some of our government departments are using the Toyota product to demonstrate their desire for cleaner burning vehicles.

SO, even if the Lotus was not dirty, the image, plus all the other parts of the formula, are what matters...

If the arguement shifts to reduction in  oil dependancey AND carbon, then  Hybrids win hands down.  We are going to  see some amazing Hybrid. vehicles comming out of Japan and Europe. Then  these will  overtake conventional cars in the &quot;dirty game&quot;.
Just  think.... no need for oil.. no need for Iraq/ middle east conflict etc etc so peace...is it posible??? gawd!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you  all understand how they  rate just  how &#8220;green&#8221; a vehicle is? It is not just  what comes out of the exhaust. It is a combination of emmissions, fuel consumption, how much  of the vehicle can  be recycled,purchase cost, repair costs etc. Called &#8220;whole of life&#8221; costs&#8230;</p>
<p>Example:-  An Astra (  Opel? in  Britain??) costs about $20,000 aus.  A toyota Hybrid (called a Prius) cost about $45,000.</p>
<p>The Toyota uses about 4 litres per100km and is very  low in  emmisions.  The Opel about 7 litres per hundred &amp; higher in emmisions.</p>
<p>BUT it takes say 6 months of a consumer working, ie using food, fuel, lights, power etc to purchase the Opel.. against 12 months to purchase the Toyota.</p>
<p>More of the Opel is recyclable (the toyota has a large battery pack which  is a pollutant when  disposed of)</p>
<p>So, in tests, the Opel is slightly ahead OVERALL of the Prius.</p>
<p>(This is a very  simple model And just  one of the ingredients).</p>
<p> However, I  sell cars at auction for the government and IMAGE is critical in  swaying popular opinion.  Some of our government departments are using the Toyota product to demonstrate their desire for cleaner burning vehicles.</p>
<p>SO, even if the Lotus was not dirty, the image, plus all the other parts of the formula, are what matters&#8230;</p>
<p>If the arguement shifts to reduction in  oil dependancey AND carbon, then  Hybrids win hands down.  We are going to  see some amazing Hybrid. vehicles comming out of Japan and Europe. Then  these will  overtake conventional cars in the &#8220;dirty game&#8221;.<br />
Just  think&#8230;. no need for oil.. no need for Iraq/ middle east conflict etc etc so peace&#8230;is it posible??? gawd!</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - forgot to post the evidence for those figures:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4561785.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; forgot to post the evidence for those figures:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4561785.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4561785.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Courtney Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I naturally looked into the emissions emitted by this sleek dream machine and discovered it was 220 grammes per kilometre.&quot;

The problem is Ellee, 220g per kilometre is hardly anything. If it is, will you start writing posts about the &#039;evils&#039; of the kitchen dishwasher that releases a hefty 756g of CO2 in every cycle?

Even an hour on a petrol lawnmower releases over 1,000g of CO2 - should we be calling the gardeners of our land &#039;climate criminals&#039; as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I naturally looked into the emissions emitted by this sleek dream machine and discovered it was 220 grammes per kilometre.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is Ellee, 220g per kilometre is hardly anything. If it is, will you start writing posts about the &#8216;evils&#8217; of the kitchen dishwasher that releases a hefty 756g of CO2 in every cycle?</p>
<p>Even an hour on a petrol lawnmower releases over 1,000g of CO2 &#8211; should we be calling the gardeners of our land &#8216;climate criminals&#8217; as well?</p>
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		<title>By: John East</title>
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		<dc:creator>John East</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life is always more complicated than is seen through the eyes of a green fanatic.

The Lotus Europa S will never be used as a city centre taxi, by a rep up and down the M6 every day, or by a commuter doing a few hundred miles per day.

It will be more usually bought by middle aged men with spare cash now that the kids have left home. They will put a couple of thousand miles on the clock per year using it on holiday, and sunny Sundays.

As such, most Europas will make a negligable impact on global warming.

But try telling that to an eco-facist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life is always more complicated than is seen through the eyes of a green fanatic.</p>
<p>The Lotus Europa S will never be used as a city centre taxi, by a rep up and down the M6 every day, or by a commuter doing a few hundred miles per day.</p>
<p>It will be more usually bought by middle aged men with spare cash now that the kids have left home. They will put a couple of thousand miles on the clock per year using it on holiday, and sunny Sundays.</p>
<p>As such, most Europas will make a negligable impact on global warming.</p>
<p>But try telling that to an eco-facist.</p>
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		<title>By: cityunslicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>cityunslicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They look nice but are very uncomfortable and noisy in my limited experience. 

As for the government. They are trying htis, everyone must do their bit schtick like we are in the war again.

They shoudl start looking a little closer to home. Are we really going to take any notice of two jegs et al?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They look nice but are very uncomfortable and noisy in my limited experience. </p>
<p>As for the government. They are trying htis, everyone must do their bit schtick like we are in the war again.</p>
<p>They shoudl start looking a little closer to home. Are we really going to take any notice of two jegs et al?</p>
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		<title>By: james higham</title>
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		<dc:creator>james higham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...We have a choice to make Ellee. We can either allow ourselves to be taken in by the daily messages of doom coming from the GreenXtreme campaigners - messages based on selective science to suit their argument - or we can safeguard jobs...

I think he had it right in this situation, Ellee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;We have a choice to make Ellee. We can either allow ourselves to be taken in by the daily messages of doom coming from the GreenXtreme campaigners &#8211; messages based on selective science to suit their argument &#8211; or we can safeguard jobs&#8230;</p>
<p>I think he had it right in this situation, Ellee.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellee, I&#039;m 31. Lotus Elise can be picked up releatively cheapely these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellee, I&#8217;m 31. Lotus Elise can be picked up releatively cheapely these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Croydonian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Croydonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine has a Lotus Elise (then again, he&#039;s a city lawyer), and he is very much a &#039;take it out for a spin once a month&#039; type driver.  Still, he&#039;s got a 3 month old baby now, so I expect he&#039;ll have to switch to something &#039;sensible &#039; soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine has a Lotus Elise (then again, he&#8217;s a city lawyer), and he is very much a &#8216;take it out for a spin once a month&#8217; type driver.  Still, he&#8217;s got a 3 month old baby now, so I expect he&#8217;ll have to switch to something &#8217;sensible &#8216; soon.</p>
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