Comments on: Is there a good way to be fired? http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/ PRESS CONSULTANT, JOURNALIST, GHOSTWRITER, POLITICAL AND PR BLOGGER. Thu, 24 May 2012 15:30:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: james higham http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3460 james higham Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:06:40 +0000 http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/#comment-3460 I've ahd to do some firing in my time and there's no easy way. I learnt from a mentor of mine that the best way was probably to go to his patch where he feels most sure of himself and deliver it softly but straight, together with precise reasons. I’ve ahd to do some firing in my time and there’s no easy way. I learnt from a mentor of mine that the best way was probably to go to his patch where he feels most sure of himself and deliver it softly but straight, together with precise reasons.

]]> By: simon http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3445 simon Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:48:09 +0000 http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/#comment-3445 Never. At that level its pure performance. He did not perform at all. So, he is paid heaps of money... so he can cop the flack... Hey Jim.. Dumped in Mildura.. Gawd! I remember that day SO $%^&! well! Never mind.. :o) Never. At that level its pure performance. He did not perform at all. So, he is paid heaps of money… so he can cop the flack…

Hey Jim.. Dumped in Mildura.. Gawd! I remember that day SO $%^&! well! Never mind.. :o )

]]> By: Heather Yaxley http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3444 Heather Yaxley Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:21:17 +0000 http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/#comment-3444 There is an interesting psychological issue here - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance" rel="nofollow">cognitive dissonance</a>. If someone doesn't feel they deserved to be fired (and who would), they will need to seek a way to resolve this inner conflict. Being the victim, blaming someone else, "I wanted to leave anyway", for example. So giving someone a reason they can use to explain to others (and themselves) helps make firing easier to accept. I love the way some politicians manage to spin an angle on their departure - such as "spending more time with their family". How could Rumsfeld spin this? Maybe it is the fault of the Iraqi people who just don't appreciate what this war has done for them....or perhaps Bush was play-acting being Donald Trump in the White House version of The Apprentice. There is an interesting psychological issue here – cognitive dissonance. If someone doesn’t feel they deserved to be fired (and who would), they will need to seek a way to resolve this inner conflict. Being the victim, blaming someone else, “I wanted to leave anyway”, for example. So giving someone a reason they can use to explain to others (and themselves) helps make firing easier to accept.

I love the way some politicians manage to spin an angle on their departure – such as “spending more time with their family”. How could Rumsfeld spin this? Maybe it is the fault of the Iraqi people who just don’t appreciate what this war has done for them….or perhaps Bush was play-acting being Donald Trump in the White House version of The Apprentice.

]]> By: John Wilkes http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3425 John Wilkes Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:16:31 +0000 http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/#comment-3425 It's far more effective to be measured in criticism, rather than appear bitter. Though Robin Cook resigned and wasn't sacked, he always retained an air of dignity despite his disagreement with the government over Iraq. Unusual in a politician. It’s far more effective to be measured in criticism, rather than appear bitter. Though Robin Cook resigned and wasn’t sacked, he always retained an air of dignity despite his disagreement with the government over Iraq. Unusual in a politician.

]]> By: Ellee http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3423 Ellee Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:50:29 +0000 http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/#comment-3423 Curmudgeon,I love your final paragraph, I guess this guy was totally oblivious to what was going around him, or maybe he had wind of it. Anyway, I'm glad he found he found another job. Curmudgeon,I love your final paragraph, I guess this guy was totally oblivious to what was going around him, or maybe he had wind of it. Anyway, I’m glad he found he found another job.

]]> By: The Curmudgeon http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3422 The Curmudgeon Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:47:59 +0000 http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/#comment-3422 You can imagine Rumsfeld's surprise: President Bush didn't fire anyone. Not publicly. Bush to Michael Brown of FEMA post-Katrina: "You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie." Brownie finally left after he was almost hooted out of town. And 9/11? Did anyone get sacked? Not hardly. No weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Intelligence services around the Western world fooled badly? What did President Bush do? He gave a medal to the retiring CIA Director. I agree that Mr. Rumsfeld should have been shown the door much sooner -- actually as soon as the insurrection began. The original American administrators were completely out of place; he should have gone then. ---- Now your other question: There's never a good time to fire anyone. At my old firm, we had a guy we wanted to fire -- but, first, it was his birthday. Then, it was too close to Christmas. Then, his wife was having a baby. He'd be there yet, I suppose, except I think he found another job.... You can imagine Rumsfeld’s surprise: President Bush didn’t fire anyone. Not publicly.

Bush to Michael Brown of FEMA post-Katrina: “You’re doin’ a heckuva job, Brownie.” Brownie finally left after he was almost hooted out of town.

And 9/11? Did anyone get sacked? Not hardly.

No weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Intelligence services around the Western world fooled badly? What did President Bush do? He gave a medal to the retiring CIA Director.

I agree that Mr. Rumsfeld should have been shown the door much sooner — actually as soon as the insurrection began. The original American administrators were completely out of place; he should have gone then.

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Now your other question: There’s never a good time to fire anyone. At my old firm, we had a guy we wanted to fire — but, first, it was his birthday. Then, it was too close to Christmas. Then, his wife was having a baby. He’d be there yet, I suppose, except I think he found another job….

]]> By: Istanbul Tory http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3421 Istanbul Tory Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:30:47 +0000 http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/#comment-3421 Republicans and Democrats, the generals, the media, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, the first President Bush, and even Laura Bush all have long wanted Rumsfeld gone. Until the recent political setbacks for the Republicans, only VP Dick Cheney and George W. were willing to resist the pressure to get rid of the defence secretary. Rumsfeld was "useful" to them as he was willing to take the brunt of criticism for the errors of W's administration. Rummy is a skilled political operator though- he would have known that his time was up. He might have felt disappointment, but hardly shock at being forced out.... Republicans and Democrats, the generals, the media, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, the first President Bush, and even Laura Bush all have long wanted Rumsfeld gone. Until the recent political setbacks for the Republicans, only VP Dick Cheney and George W. were willing to resist the pressure to get rid of the defence secretary. Rumsfeld was “useful” to them as he was willing to take the brunt of criticism for the errors of W’s administration. Rummy is a skilled political operator though- he would have known that his time was up. He might have felt disappointment, but hardly shock at being forced out….

]]> By: Ellee http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3420 Ellee Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:57:37 +0000 http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/#comment-3420 Jim, You win some, you lose some, but keep on smiling, you will be lucky one day, hopefully very soon. Women have their fair share of disappointments too, so don't be too hard on us. Jim, You win some, you lose some, but keep on smiling, you will be lucky one day, hopefully very soon. Women have their fair share of disappointments too, so don’t be too hard on us.

]]> By: Jim http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3419 Jim Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:55:20 +0000 http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/#comment-3419 It's OK, I was actually done a favour - it retored my cynicism in women 100%! It’s OK, I was actually done a favour – it retored my cynicism in women 100%!

]]> By: Jean-Luc Picard http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3416 Jean-Luc Picard Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:35:06 +0000 http://elleeseymour.com/2006/11/27/is-there-a-good-way-to-be-fired-2/#comment-3416 One of the worst ways to be fired must be by text or e mail. One of the worst ways to be fired must be by text or e mail.

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