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	<title>Comments on: Govt PR for maths, science and languages, and Uni drop out figures</title>
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	<description>MCIPR, PRESS CONSULTANT, JOURNALIST, POLITICAL AND PR BLOGGER.</description>
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		<title>By: Ellee Seymour - MCIPR, PRESS CONSULTANT, JOURNALIST, POLITICAL AND PR BLOGGER. &#187; Food - the new political weapon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellee Seymour - MCIPR, PRESS CONSULTANT, JOURNALIST, POLITICAL AND PR BLOGGER. &#187; Food - the new political weapon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What concerns me even more is our shortage of scientists in the UK, an issue I have highlighted several times. And our government is approaching this by promoting science in schools to take up a future career as a lighting expert at music festivals and Formula One engineers - more on this here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What concerns me even more is our shortage of scientists in the UK, an issue I have highlighted several times. And our government is approaching this by promoting science in schools to take up a future career as a lighting expert at music festivals and Formula One engineers &#8211; more on this here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ellee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, the proof of these campaigns will be on how successful they are in achieving their objectives and sustaining them. Only time will tell. I will make a mental note to check the outcomes in a few years time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, the proof of these campaigns will be on how successful they are in achieving their objectives and sustaining them. Only time will tell. I will make a mental note to check the outcomes in a few years time.</p>
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		<title>By: David Brain</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For once I agree with Welshcakes..&quot;untill the British (kids in this case) get into their heads that laearning a foreign language (and Maths and Science) might actually be usefull, we are utterly lost&quot;.  That&#039;s what these camapigns will do . . egt it into kids heads that they should study these things; make them think they should stick it out when they have started; and get them to give their friends reasons to follow their lead . . &quot; Of course we need teachers and buildings but we need motivated kids too and older people preaching at them is not the way to do this....these PR camapigns have a much better chance.  Elle you are pandering to the Colonel Blimp brigade a bit these days with this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For once I agree with Welshcakes..&#8221;untill the British (kids in this case) get into their heads that laearning a foreign language (and Maths and Science) might actually be usefull, we are utterly lost&#8221;.  That&#8217;s what these camapigns will do . . egt it into kids heads that they should study these things; make them think they should stick it out when they have started; and get them to give their friends reasons to follow their lead . . &#8221; Of course we need teachers and buildings but we need motivated kids too and older people preaching at them is not the way to do this&#8230;.these PR camapigns have a much better chance.  Elle you are pandering to the Colonel Blimp brigade a bit these days with this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Welshcakes Limoncello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Welshcakes Limoncello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former UK head of modern languages, I can only say, sadly, that&quot;I&#039;ve heard it all before&quot;.  Until the British get it into their heads that learning a foreign language might actually be useful, we are utterly lost!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former UK head of modern languages, I can only say, sadly, that&#8221;I&#8217;ve heard it all before&#8221;.  Until the British get it into their heads that learning a foreign language might actually be useful, we are utterly lost!</p>
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		<title>By: electro-kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>electro-kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have become more money orientated.  Science doesn&#039;t pay as well as law and is not as exciting as media seems to be.

When was it ever &#039;cool&#039; to study maths ?  I only ever remember beardie-weirdies in dodgy tank-tops trying to explain the unexplainable on OU programmes late at night.

Our schools are largely crap.  Too much resource is put into getting as many people into university as possible when most people aren&#039;t suited to it.  This is done to disguise unemployment,  extract fees,  disguise the fall in educational standards and this results in less funding for those seriously interested in study and research.

It&#039;s a mess.

Good luck to David and I hope that his mush has fully recovered from surgery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have become more money orientated.  Science doesn&#8217;t pay as well as law and is not as exciting as media seems to be.</p>
<p>When was it ever &#8216;cool&#8217; to study maths ?  I only ever remember beardie-weirdies in dodgy tank-tops trying to explain the unexplainable on OU programmes late at night.</p>
<p>Our schools are largely crap.  Too much resource is put into getting as many people into university as possible when most people aren&#8217;t suited to it.  This is done to disguise unemployment,  extract fees,  disguise the fall in educational standards and this results in less funding for those seriously interested in study and research.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a mess.</p>
<p>Good luck to David and I hope that his mush has fully recovered from surgery.</p>
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		<title>By: David Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why waste the money on PR? Surely, a far more effective approach would be for the government to pay the tuition fees of those students studying subjects like maths and pure sciences where these are deemed to be of strategic national interest. They could also offer cost-of-living bursaries to students with really good A-level grades _ and perhaps a bonus on graduation based on grade achieved. This is the best way of attracting more students, and more of the brightest students to the right subjects. The message going out to 6th formers should be: &#039;If you want to study sociology, history of art or media studies, know that there will be no hand-outs and you will have to bear the full cost of your education&#039; These changes would soon start to influence the university courses people applied for _ and the A-level courses they choose too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why waste the money on PR? Surely, a far more effective approach would be for the government to pay the tuition fees of those students studying subjects like maths and pure sciences where these are deemed to be of strategic national interest. They could also offer cost-of-living bursaries to students with really good A-level grades _ and perhaps a bonus on graduation based on grade achieved. This is the best way of attracting more students, and more of the brightest students to the right subjects. The message going out to 6th formers should be: &#8216;If you want to study sociology, history of art or media studies, know that there will be no hand-outs and you will have to bear the full cost of your education&#8217; These changes would soon start to influence the university courses people applied for _ and the A-level courses they choose too.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven_L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven_L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poppycock!

Have you ever worked ina call centre, trying to sell broadband to hundreds of people a week?

They all hate KC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poppycock!</p>
<p>Have you ever worked ina call centre, trying to sell broadband to hundreds of people a week?</p>
<p>They all hate KC!</p>
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		<title>By: Philipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: &#039;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uclan.ac.uk/courses/factsheets/dt/technology/3829.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;motor racing engineers&lt;/a&gt;&#039;? Yes there are dedicated courses but an automotive engineer is usually a graduate mechanical engineer that could just as easily work for Ford or MIRA as well as for a motor racing assoc company or the aerospace industry. This engineer could just as easily be part of the european council negotiations for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.euractiv.com/en/transport/commission-divided-car-emissions-rules/article-161061&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;carbon emissions&lt;/a&gt;.

If ever we embrace the euro then car manufacturing in this country will be affected and the R&amp;D will no doubt be affected too. The government has done little to provide a climate in which manufacturing flourishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: &#8216;<a href="http://www.uclan.ac.uk/courses/factsheets/dt/technology/3829.pdf" rel="nofollow">motor racing engineers</a>&#8216;? Yes there are dedicated courses but an automotive engineer is usually a graduate mechanical engineer that could just as easily work for Ford or MIRA as well as for a motor racing assoc company or the aerospace industry. This engineer could just as easily be part of the european council negotiations for <a href="http://www.euractiv.com/en/transport/commission-divided-car-emissions-rules/article-161061" rel="nofollow">carbon emissions</a>.</p>
<p>If ever we embrace the euro then car manufacturing in this country will be affected and the R&amp;D will no doubt be affected too. The government has done little to provide a climate in which manufacturing flourishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Philipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d laugh if this PR drive wasn&#039;t using public funds, it&#039;s so absurd.

I can understand the difficulty in foreign languages as they don&#039;t teach thier own language sufficiently well so they have no hope of learning another without stress. My 8 yr old son is learning joined up writing. They&#039;re not teaching him &lt;i&gt;what&lt;/i&gt; to write but how to write rubbish in a preferred style. Can anyone explain this to me?? Why do they not teach grammar? To give a good platform to learn european languages they would be better teaching latin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d laugh if this PR drive wasn&#8217;t using public funds, it&#8217;s so absurd.</p>
<p>I can understand the difficulty in foreign languages as they don&#8217;t teach thier own language sufficiently well so they have no hope of learning another without stress. My 8 yr old son is learning joined up writing. They&#8217;re not teaching him <i>what</i> to write but how to write rubbish in a preferred style. Can anyone explain this to me?? Why do they not teach grammar? To give a good platform to learn european languages they would be better teaching latin.</p>
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		<title>By: Curly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having spent some time using Hull as a base whilst managing a huge IT project I got to know the city quite well, I&#039;m sure your son will enjoy it enormously.
Within easy distance of York and Beverley too, and  at less than £2 a pint he&#039;ll even learn the value of decent beer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having spent some time using Hull as a base whilst managing a huge IT project I got to know the city quite well, I&#8217;m sure your son will enjoy it enormously.<br />
Within easy distance of York and Beverley too, and  at less than £2 a pint he&#8217;ll even learn the value of decent beer!</p>
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