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		<title>By: Man in a Shed</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/03/03/what-makes-parents-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-82690</link>
		<dc:creator>Man in a Shed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the heart of all this is the failure of the progressive educationalists and their socialist sponsors running of our education system.

They have failed to improve things - so now they want to destroy the evidence of their failure by randomising school allocation and creating educational qualifications which are designed to obscure the qualities of those who hold them.

Socialism - equality in misery - coming to your children&#039;s future if you let it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the heart of all this is the failure of the progressive educationalists and their socialist sponsors running of our education system.</p>
<p>They have failed to improve things &#8211; so now they want to destroy the evidence of their failure by randomising school allocation and creating educational qualifications which are designed to obscure the qualities of those who hold them.</p>
<p>Socialism &#8211; equality in misery &#8211; coming to your children&#8217;s future if you let it.</p>
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		<title>By: electro-kevin</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/03/03/what-makes-parents-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-81711</link>
		<dc:creator>electro-kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point by point, Kat. 

&quot;No parental advice or contact.&quot;
Ans:  are these people unsociable/anti-social, uncommunicative ?  What is their value to the school then ? Is the greater good of preserving the standard of an excellent institution not more important than &#039;fairness&#039; to any one individual ?

&quot;Internet access problems&quot;
Ans:  access is free at the library.  If I can get around the Net anyone can - it really isn&#039;t difficult to use.

&quot;Jobs taking up time&quot;
Ans:  I posit here that company directors, head teachers and  businessmen probably have far less disposable time than most working class people.

&quot;Keeping nasty working classes where they belong.&quot;
Ans: Thanks a bunch,  Kat !  I&#039;m working class as it happens.  We are striving to get our boys into Grammar education because the local comprehensive is chaotic and the parents just don&#039;t care.  No formulae is perfect,  but my rule of thumb is that if the parents don&#039;t care then neither will their kids - so why foist them on schools that are doing things right.

&quot;building up and not dragging down.&quot;
The good schools are good because the people in that vicinity strove to make them good.  Some have selection on ability - I see nothing wrong with that,  the working class accept that this works in football leagues (from which I was excluded)  so why shouldn&#039;t this work in academia ?

The bad schools are bad generally because the people in that vicinity did nothing to make them good.  The impetus to make good schools comes from good families with good values.  The root issue is family breakdown and the fact that a disorderly minority are always allowed to ruin things for everyone else.

From a purely pragmatic point of view we cannot keep slapping the middle classes round the face.  They will remove their children to private ed.  Failing that they will emigrate because they are QUALIFIED to emigrate and further exodus of qualified people is the last thing we need if we wish to remain a first world country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point by point, Kat. </p>
<p>&#8220;No parental advice or contact.&#8221;<br />
Ans:  are these people unsociable/anti-social, uncommunicative ?  What is their value to the school then ? Is the greater good of preserving the standard of an excellent institution not more important than &#8216;fairness&#8217; to any one individual ?</p>
<p>&#8220;Internet access problems&#8221;<br />
Ans:  access is free at the library.  If I can get around the Net anyone can &#8211; it really isn&#8217;t difficult to use.</p>
<p>&#8220;Jobs taking up time&#8221;<br />
Ans:  I posit here that company directors, head teachers and  businessmen probably have far less disposable time than most working class people.</p>
<p>&#8220;Keeping nasty working classes where they belong.&#8221;<br />
Ans: Thanks a bunch,  Kat !  I&#8217;m working class as it happens.  We are striving to get our boys into Grammar education because the local comprehensive is chaotic and the parents just don&#8217;t care.  No formulae is perfect,  but my rule of thumb is that if the parents don&#8217;t care then neither will their kids &#8211; so why foist them on schools that are doing things right.</p>
<p>&#8220;building up and not dragging down.&#8221;<br />
The good schools are good because the people in that vicinity strove to make them good.  Some have selection on ability &#8211; I see nothing wrong with that,  the working class accept that this works in football leagues (from which I was excluded)  so why shouldn&#8217;t this work in academia ?</p>
<p>The bad schools are bad generally because the people in that vicinity did nothing to make them good.  The impetus to make good schools comes from good families with good values.  The root issue is family breakdown and the fact that a disorderly minority are always allowed to ruin things for everyone else.</p>
<p>From a purely pragmatic point of view we cannot keep slapping the middle classes round the face.  They will remove their children to private ed.  Failing that they will emigrate because they are QUALIFIED to emigrate and further exodus of qualified people is the last thing we need if we wish to remain a first world country.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/03/03/what-makes-parents-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-81618</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Electro-Kevin- I simply can&#039;t agree that everyone has access to the same knowledge and information. What if that parent doesn&#039;t have any fellow parents to advise on the appeals process? What if they don&#039;t have the access to the internet - or even the knowledge to use it, to access this information? What if they are working jobs that don&#039;t allow them to take the time to attend to the appeals process in person if necessary?

And your comment that if they are unable to do this that their children should suffer, and that these same &quot;kids won&#039;t make good use of their education&quot; smacks of the keeping people down rather than building them up mentality that you claim to be in opposition to. Best keep those nasty working classes where they belong eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electro-Kevin- I simply can&#8217;t agree that everyone has access to the same knowledge and information. What if that parent doesn&#8217;t have any fellow parents to advise on the appeals process? What if they don&#8217;t have the access to the internet &#8211; or even the knowledge to use it, to access this information? What if they are working jobs that don&#8217;t allow them to take the time to attend to the appeals process in person if necessary?</p>
<p>And your comment that if they are unable to do this that their children should suffer, and that these same &#8220;kids won&#8217;t make good use of their education&#8221; smacks of the keeping people down rather than building them up mentality that you claim to be in opposition to. Best keep those nasty working classes where they belong eh?</p>
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		<title>By: electro-kevin</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/03/03/what-makes-parents-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-81579</link>
		<dc:creator>electro-kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>21 wasn&#039;t in response to my friend Philipa. Pure coincidence that &#039;huddle&#039; was mentioned in posts being written concurrently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>21 wasn&#8217;t in response to my friend Philipa. Pure coincidence that &#8216;huddle&#8217; was mentioned in posts being written concurrently.</p>
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		<title>By: electro-kevin</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/03/03/what-makes-parents-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-81578</link>
		<dc:creator>electro-kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m dumfounded as to why schools have children sitting in huddles around tables, half of them with their backs to teacher.

What is this about ?

Another issue:

How green is it to have children being bussed out of their way to go to schools beyond their immediate vicinity ?

So people buy houses in expensive areas - the prices often reflecting the quality of the local schools,  which in turn reflect the quality of the people in the area.  Which came first ??? The schools, the people or the houses ?  You can kick these people as much as you like - they&#039;ll always win.  Their skills and wealth will be in demand abroad and that is where they&#039;ll go if you keep offending their sensibilities.

This is about jealousy and an instinctive desire to keep people down rather than build them up.

The killer question - why does Government insist on providing us with dire schooling which people run away from (most notably Labour Ministers)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m dumfounded as to why schools have children sitting in huddles around tables, half of them with their backs to teacher.</p>
<p>What is this about ?</p>
<p>Another issue:</p>
<p>How green is it to have children being bussed out of their way to go to schools beyond their immediate vicinity ?</p>
<p>So people buy houses in expensive areas &#8211; the prices often reflecting the quality of the local schools,  which in turn reflect the quality of the people in the area.  Which came first ??? The schools, the people or the houses ?  You can kick these people as much as you like &#8211; they&#8217;ll always win.  Their skills and wealth will be in demand abroad and that is where they&#8217;ll go if you keep offending their sensibilities.</p>
<p>This is about jealousy and an instinctive desire to keep people down rather than build them up.</p>
<p>The killer question &#8211; why does Government insist on providing us with dire schooling which people run away from (most notably Labour Ministers)?</p>
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		<title>By: Philipa</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/03/03/what-makes-parents-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-81577</link>
		<dc:creator>Philipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EK - I agree with your comments but Kat has a point; it&#039;s not just the children that huddle together in groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EK &#8211; I agree with your comments but Kat has a point; it&#8217;s not just the children that huddle together in groups.</p>
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		<title>By: electro-kevin</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/03/03/what-makes-parents-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-81575</link>
		<dc:creator>electro-kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kat,  everyone has time and everyone has access to knowledge - that they might not bother to use their time to seek out knowledge is surely an indication that they or their kids won&#039;t make good use of their education.

We are asking the wrong question.

We should be asking WHY are so many schools crap ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kat,  everyone has time and everyone has access to knowledge &#8211; that they might not bother to use their time to seek out knowledge is surely an indication that they or their kids won&#8217;t make good use of their education.</p>
<p>We are asking the wrong question.</p>
<p>We should be asking WHY are so many schools crap ?</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/03/03/what-makes-parents-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-81557</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pushy&quot; because they are willing to stamp on children other than their own whose parents might not have the knowledge or time to dvote to manipulating the system...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pushy&#8221; because they are willing to stamp on children other than their own whose parents might not have the knowledge or time to dvote to manipulating the system&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ellee</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/03/03/what-makes-parents-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-81556</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do &quot;middle-class parents&quot; have to be labelled as &quot;pushy&quot; because they simply want the best education for their child? Surely there are parents from all classes with this aspiration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do &#8220;middle-class parents&#8221; have to be labelled as &#8220;pushy&#8221; because they simply want the best education for their child? Surely there are parents from all classes with this aspiration.</p>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/03/03/what-makes-parents-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-81553</link>
		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironically, the use of a lottery system puts the brakes on all these parents who are willing to screw the system in any way possible.  The fact that so many parents are complaining goes to show that actually a lottery opens up access to schools and encourages more applications, which means that pushy middle-class parents don&#039;t always get their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, the use of a lottery system puts the brakes on all these parents who are willing to screw the system in any way possible.  The fact that so many parents are complaining goes to show that actually a lottery opens up access to schools and encourages more applications, which means that pushy middle-class parents don&#8217;t always get their way.</p>
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