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		<title>By: Colin Campbell</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/06/14/who-not-to-invite-to-weddings/comment-page-1/#comment-106773</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First time around I got married in America and all my relatives other than my Mum and Dad (divorced for many years) stayed home. They managed to last about a day before they were back to their fighting tricks. So it was only most of my wife&#039;s direct family (13 siblings) and a few of our friends at the house we were staying. 

Next time around we were living in Singapore and had the wedding at a vineyard south of Adelaide. Only my Dad and my mums dad came from Scotland, which was nice. That time it was only about 20 rellies at a restaurant. 

I recommend having the courage to organise it the way you want it. Not the way others want it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First time around I got married in America and all my relatives other than my Mum and Dad (divorced for many years) stayed home. They managed to last about a day before they were back to their fighting tricks. So it was only most of my wife&#8217;s direct family (13 siblings) and a few of our friends at the house we were staying. </p>
<p>Next time around we were living in Singapore and had the wedding at a vineyard south of Adelaide. Only my Dad and my mums dad came from Scotland, which was nice. That time it was only about 20 rellies at a restaurant. </p>
<p>I recommend having the courage to organise it the way you want it. Not the way others want it.</p>
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		<title>By: electro-kevin</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/06/14/who-not-to-invite-to-weddings/comment-page-1/#comment-104692</link>
		<dc:creator>electro-kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So who not to invite to a wedding ?

The bride and mother-in-law for a start !</description>
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<p>The bride and mother-in-law for a start !</p>
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		<title>By: electro-kevin</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2008/06/14/who-not-to-invite-to-weddings/comment-page-1/#comment-104687</link>
		<dc:creator>electro-kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy,

I don&#039;t know why I put up with it.

Younger and less wise I suppose.  I had both of them at me - mother-in-law AND fiancee. Good grief !  Nightmare.

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why I put up with it.</p>
<p>Younger and less wise I suppose.  I had both of them at me &#8211; mother-in-law AND fiancee. Good grief !  Nightmare.</p>
<p> <img src='http://elleeseymour.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Philipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: on the subject of parity with marriage I think the words of someone who has done both are interesting - Pete Burns:

He told The Mail on Sunday he had been &quot;optimistic&quot; about his civil partnership, but now he says: &quot;I learned the hard way. It&#039;s a total joke.&quot; Burns accused Simpson, 40, of being unfaithful and admitted he felt disillusioned. Burns added that some homosexual couples had &quot;open marriages&quot; where the partners could be unfaithful. He said: &quot;There&#039;s a lot of promiscuity in the gay community. I don&#039;t understand why they take that union. How low is their self-esteem? &quot;One&#039;s on Hampstead Heath meeting men, the other one&#039;s hiring rent boys. &quot;Surely marriage is throwing anchor and saying, &#039;This is where I&#039;m staying, I&#039;ve made my choice and this is all I want because I&#039;ve been on the up and down escalator, through the revolving door and I want to stand still.&#039; That&#039;s what I expected.&quot; He added: &quot;I don&#039;t know what goes on in many heterosexual marriages but I know mine was 28 years.

Pete Burns was happily married and would have stayed married but his wife needed to separate. He later fell in love with a man and had a civil partnership. Those were his views on them both.

Incidentally Little Britain star Matt Lucas has split from his partner Kevin McGee. The pair were married in a civil partnership ceremony 18 months ago, and will be the
first homosexual celebrity couple to &#039;divorce&#039; since the law was changed to allow same-sex ceremonies two and half years ago. TV producer McGee, 31, will be entitled to a large slice of Lucas’s fortune, which has prompted the comic to employ Mishcon de Reya, the same solicitor used by Heather Mills in her divorce from Paul McCartney, and by Princess Diana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: on the subject of parity with marriage I think the words of someone who has done both are interesting &#8211; Pete Burns:</p>
<p>He told The Mail on Sunday he had been &#8220;optimistic&#8221; about his civil partnership, but now he says: &#8220;I learned the hard way. It&#8217;s a total joke.&#8221; Burns accused Simpson, 40, of being unfaithful and admitted he felt disillusioned. Burns added that some homosexual couples had &#8220;open marriages&#8221; where the partners could be unfaithful. He said: &#8220;There&#8217;s a lot of promiscuity in the gay community. I don&#8217;t understand why they take that union. How low is their self-esteem? &#8220;One&#8217;s on Hampstead Heath meeting men, the other one&#8217;s hiring rent boys. &#8220;Surely marriage is throwing anchor and saying, &#8216;This is where I&#8217;m staying, I&#8217;ve made my choice and this is all I want because I&#8217;ve been on the up and down escalator, through the revolving door and I want to stand still.&#8217; That&#8217;s what I expected.&#8221; He added: &#8220;I don&#8217;t know what goes on in many heterosexual marriages but I know mine was 28 years.</p>
<p>Pete Burns was happily married and would have stayed married but his wife needed to separate. He later fell in love with a man and had a civil partnership. Those were his views on them both.</p>
<p>Incidentally Little Britain star Matt Lucas has split from his partner Kevin McGee. The pair were married in a civil partnership ceremony 18 months ago, and will be the<br />
first homosexual celebrity couple to &#8216;divorce&#8217; since the law was changed to allow same-sex ceremonies two and half years ago. TV producer McGee, 31, will be entitled to a large slice of Lucas’s fortune, which has prompted the comic to employ Mishcon de Reya, the same solicitor used by Heather Mills in her divorce from Paul McCartney, and by Princess Diana.</p>
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		<title>By: Philipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslie - if Ellee will allow the links to the story of the sisters they can be found here: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2407.html and here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1528745/Treat-us-like-lesbians,-say-sisters-in-tax-fight.html 

The court of human rights ruled against them (blog report &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.peter-ould.net/2008/05/03/sisters-inheritance-and-civil-partnerships/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).

My point was that people can get married and promise to love each other. They can choose the vows they want. It is not a condition of marriage that the union be a sexual one. The civil partnership law banishes privacy and judges people on their sexuality - you can ONLY enter into a civil partnership if you are homosexual. Therefore the sisters, who clearly love each other and are wholly commited to each other (I would venture that they have proved a deeper commitment than most civil partnerships) are discriminated against. They have a lesser legal claim than two lesbians who have known each other for half a year instead of all their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie &#8211; if Ellee will allow the links to the story of the sisters they can be found here: <a href="http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2407.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-2407.html</a> and here: <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1528745/Treat-us-like-lesbians,-say-sisters-in-tax-fight.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1528745/Treat-us-like-lesbians,-say-sisters-in-tax-fight.html</a> </p>
<p>The court of human rights ruled against them (blog report <a href="http://www.peter-ould.net/2008/05/03/sisters-inheritance-and-civil-partnerships/" rel="nofollow">here</a>).</p>
<p>My point was that people can get married and promise to love each other. They can choose the vows they want. It is not a condition of marriage that the union be a sexual one. The civil partnership law banishes privacy and judges people on their sexuality &#8211; you can ONLY enter into a civil partnership if you are homosexual. Therefore the sisters, who clearly love each other and are wholly commited to each other (I would venture that they have proved a deeper commitment than most civil partnerships) are discriminated against. They have a lesser legal claim than two lesbians who have known each other for half a year instead of all their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, and daughter&#039;s SIL specifically told my daughter that she was only asking for money for wedding gifts. I thought that was really tacky! But my daughter told her right to her face that she does not give money as wedding gifts so she better think up something she&#039;d like or she&#039;d just get what she chooses for her. hah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, and daughter&#8217;s SIL specifically told my daughter that she was only asking for money for wedding gifts. I thought that was really tacky! But my daughter told her right to her face that she does not give money as wedding gifts so she better think up something she&#8217;d like or she&#8217;d just get what she chooses for her. hah</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what situation Philipa is referring to about the &quot;sisters.&quot; But my beef is that gays are allowed these civil commitments or whatever they&#039;re called and get all the same rights and privileges as married folk. But those of us who are single, divorced, or widowed get none of that.  If a girl friend (heterosexual) and I decided to live together for financial reasons, neither of us would get any rights towards each other&#039;s share of the house - unless specified in a legal document or benefits, etc.  I think that&#039;s what Philipa is referencing.

Re weddings, it depends on who the children are. If members of the immediate family, then of course they should be included if the bride &amp; groom wish it, but taken home if the party goes late.  Friends should not expect their children to be invited unless specifically indicated. 

My daughter and her husband have been invited, naturally, to her husband&#039;s sister&#039;s wedding and the bride&#039;s attendants called my daughter re the &quot;stagette.&quot;  She was expected to cough up multi dollars for her share of the limo, party decorations, food, drink, and a monetary gift! (Doesn&#039;t the maid of honour give the shower?) Of course my daughter declined the invitation and her hubby declined the &quot;stag&quot; invitation which was a weekend in Vegas! (they can&#039;t afford that!) They opted instead to take the bride &amp; groom out to dinner one night as a gift to them before the wedding.

These shindigs are getting out of hand sometimes, in my humble opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what situation Philipa is referring to about the &#8220;sisters.&#8221; But my beef is that gays are allowed these civil commitments or whatever they&#8217;re called and get all the same rights and privileges as married folk. But those of us who are single, divorced, or widowed get none of that.  If a girl friend (heterosexual) and I decided to live together for financial reasons, neither of us would get any rights towards each other&#8217;s share of the house &#8211; unless specified in a legal document or benefits, etc.  I think that&#8217;s what Philipa is referencing.</p>
<p>Re weddings, it depends on who the children are. If members of the immediate family, then of course they should be included if the bride &amp; groom wish it, but taken home if the party goes late.  Friends should not expect their children to be invited unless specifically indicated. </p>
<p>My daughter and her husband have been invited, naturally, to her husband&#8217;s sister&#8217;s wedding and the bride&#8217;s attendants called my daughter re the &#8220;stagette.&#8221;  She was expected to cough up multi dollars for her share of the limo, party decorations, food, drink, and a monetary gift! (Doesn&#8217;t the maid of honour give the shower?) Of course my daughter declined the invitation and her hubby declined the &#8220;stag&#8221; invitation which was a weekend in Vegas! (they can&#8217;t afford that!) They opted instead to take the bride &amp; groom out to dinner one night as a gift to them before the wedding.</p>
<p>These shindigs are getting out of hand sometimes, in my humble opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Philipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m against &#039;civil partnerships&#039; because the way the law is worded it is aimed directly at homosexual couples, which disciriminates against those who wish to give a commitment who are not homosexual. I think it a mistake to invite the state into the bedroom to make a judgement. That&#039;s the end of privacy. It should have been for ALL people who wish to make a civil, legal partnership, such as the sisters famously discriminated against. One of whom will have to leave her home when the other either dies or needs special care. That is wrong.

My view doesn&#039;t discriminate against homosexual people living together or making a legal commitment. But the law as it stands does discriminate against other people because of their sexuality - because they are NOT homosexual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m against &#8216;civil partnerships&#8217; because the way the law is worded it is aimed directly at homosexual couples, which disciriminates against those who wish to give a commitment who are not homosexual. I think it a mistake to invite the state into the bedroom to make a judgement. That&#8217;s the end of privacy. It should have been for ALL people who wish to make a civil, legal partnership, such as the sisters famously discriminated against. One of whom will have to leave her home when the other either dies or needs special care. That is wrong.</p>
<p>My view doesn&#8217;t discriminate against homosexual people living together or making a legal commitment. But the law as it stands does discriminate against other people because of their sexuality &#8211; because they are NOT homosexual.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, yes, the wedding guest list can be a nightmare. But then so can trying to please warring divorced parents and their new partners.
I hope Iain&#039;s do went off well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, yes, the wedding guest list can be a nightmare. But then so can trying to please warring divorced parents and their new partners.<br />
I hope Iain&#8217;s do went off well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a point LFAT but some people like to impress and show off. What&#039;s worse is people who discuss how much they should spend on a wedding present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a point LFAT but some people like to impress and show off. What&#8217;s worse is people who discuss how much they should spend on a wedding present.</p>
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