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	<title>Comments on: David Cameron and all-women shortlists</title>
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		<title>By: Ellee</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2009/10/21/david-cameron-and-all-women-shortlists/comment-page-1/#comment-176894</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Times editorial today agrees with my thinking that although this is a flawed decision, it is necessary. This is what it says:

To allow only women to apply for some parliamentary constituencies is a bad idea that deserves support. Discrimination ought not to be countered by discrimination. Prestigious jobs in public life should be awarded on merit. Local parties should be free to choose. First-rate women have made it in politics anyway, even to the office of prime minister. It would be better to have all-talented-people shortlists, would it not?

These are all serious objections to the idea that shortlists should be reserved for women. And yet David Cameron’s conversion to the idea deserves our support. This newspaper has been tough on the Conservatives because the party has not been hospitable to women candidates. It is only fair to acknowledge that all-women shortlists, despite the objections to them, are a serious attempt to address the problem.

The argument for this bad idea is that it is a minor, and temporary, infringement of meritocracy with evidently just consequences. The Labour Party introduced all-women shortlists 14 years ago because talented women were not winning open selections. Procedures dominated by male trade unionists were sexist, sometimes explicitly and sometimes subtly. The change meant that many more women joined the Labour benches and more women served in Cabinet.

For whatever reason, Conservative associations have preferred male candidates. In the 2005 Parliament, 17 out of 196 Tory MPs were women. If the Conservative Party wins a majority in the next Parliament, there will be, after the current round of selections, 60 Tory women. That is still not enough. All-women shortlists can help and that makes a bad idea a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Times editorial today agrees with my thinking that although this is a flawed decision, it is necessary. This is what it says:</p>
<p>To allow only women to apply for some parliamentary constituencies is a bad idea that deserves support. Discrimination ought not to be countered by discrimination. Prestigious jobs in public life should be awarded on merit. Local parties should be free to choose. First-rate women have made it in politics anyway, even to the office of prime minister. It would be better to have all-talented-people shortlists, would it not?</p>
<p>These are all serious objections to the idea that shortlists should be reserved for women. And yet David Cameron’s conversion to the idea deserves our support. This newspaper has been tough on the Conservatives because the party has not been hospitable to women candidates. It is only fair to acknowledge that all-women shortlists, despite the objections to them, are a serious attempt to address the problem.</p>
<p>The argument for this bad idea is that it is a minor, and temporary, infringement of meritocracy with evidently just consequences. The Labour Party introduced all-women shortlists 14 years ago because talented women were not winning open selections. Procedures dominated by male trade unionists were sexist, sometimes explicitly and sometimes subtly. The change meant that many more women joined the Labour benches and more women served in Cabinet.</p>
<p>For whatever reason, Conservative associations have preferred male candidates. In the 2005 Parliament, 17 out of 196 Tory MPs were women. If the Conservative Party wins a majority in the next Parliament, there will be, after the current round of selections, 60 Tory women. That is still not enough. All-women shortlists can help and that makes a bad idea a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>could a woman actually do the job as well as a man....   I dont think so, because they have far more ties and responsibilities at home</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>could a woman actually do the job as well as a man&#8230;.   I dont think so, because they have far more ties and responsibilities at home</p>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2009/10/21/david-cameron-and-all-women-shortlists/comment-page-1/#comment-176880</link>
		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it takes a special type of woman to make headway in a male dominated political world.  They have to get their male colleagues on side with them and also the electorate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it takes a special type of woman to make headway in a male dominated political world.  They have to get their male colleagues on side with them and also the electorate.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish that gender didn&#039;t need to be even considered as a factor for this sort of thing; sadly, not the way it is. Short list isn&#039;t ideal, but the alternative is even worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish that gender didn&#8217;t need to be even considered as a factor for this sort of thing; sadly, not the way it is. Short list isn&#8217;t ideal, but the alternative is even worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Luc Picard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Luc Picard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He should make sure women are there, but only on merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He should make sure women are there, but only on merit.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Lidster</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2009/10/21/david-cameron-and-all-women-shortlists/comment-page-1/#comment-176876</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Lidster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I have never believed that gender bias keeps women from office, any more than ethnicity keeps a worthy candidate from office.

In our area we had three successive female MLAs (provincial MPs in Canada)and sex never was an issue.

Yet, their highly socialist party in the last provincial election demanded such affirmative action and demanded a female candidate be nominated. The result was, they lost. Had they run their strong male candidate (who only lost by a few votes in the previous election) they likely would have won.

I think what must be addressed is sociological reality of females in society in which they must juggle professional, political and also domestic roles at the same time. That&#039;s what keeps their numbers down in my esteem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I have never believed that gender bias keeps women from office, any more than ethnicity keeps a worthy candidate from office.</p>
<p>In our area we had three successive female MLAs (provincial MPs in Canada)and sex never was an issue.</p>
<p>Yet, their highly socialist party in the last provincial election demanded such affirmative action and demanded a female candidate be nominated. The result was, they lost. Had they run their strong male candidate (who only lost by a few votes in the previous election) they likely would have won.</p>
<p>I think what must be addressed is sociological reality of females in society in which they must juggle professional, political and also domestic roles at the same time. That&#8217;s what keeps their numbers down in my esteem.</p>
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		<title>By: electro-kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>electro-kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are the Conservatives worried about being accused of discrimination against women ?

They are the only party to have provided a female PM.

I agree with Philipa on all points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are the Conservatives worried about being accused of discrimination against women ?</p>
<p>They are the only party to have provided a female PM.</p>
<p>I agree with Philipa on all points.</p>
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		<title>By: Philipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellee - I do too really and I accept that the mindset of the old boys club had to be broken somehow and that positive discrimination was the only way. But that happened and I&#039;m generally unhappy with the selection procedure. It favours &#039;professional politicians&#039; - those that are the parties creatures that fight for seats in areas they have no affiliation with whatsoever. I think that should change. Actually I fear we will have no real parliament at all if the Lisbon treaty goes ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellee &#8211; I do too really and I accept that the mindset of the old boys club had to be broken somehow and that positive discrimination was the only way. But that happened and I&#8217;m generally unhappy with the selection procedure. It favours &#8216;professional politicians&#8217; &#8211; those that are the parties creatures that fight for seats in areas they have no affiliation with whatsoever. I think that should change. Actually I fear we will have no real parliament at all if the Lisbon treaty goes ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellee</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2009/10/21/david-cameron-and-all-women-shortlists/comment-page-1/#comment-176871</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WW, I like to think our candidates are a cut above the Blair babes. I accept your argument that it is not truly democratic, but then neither is the present system reflective of the population.

Philipa, the chances are we will have fewer MPs in the near future, another huge change to our political system. I hope they will include a fair proportion of women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WW, I like to think our candidates are a cut above the Blair babes. I accept your argument that it is not truly democratic, but then neither is the present system reflective of the population.</p>
<p>Philipa, the chances are we will have fewer MPs in the near future, another huge change to our political system. I hope they will include a fair proportion of women.</p>
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		<title>By: Winchester Whisperer</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2009/10/21/david-cameron-and-all-women-shortlists/comment-page-1/#comment-176870</link>
		<dc:creator>Winchester Whisperer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that the all-women shortlist imposed by the Party is at odds with local democracy. DC says he wants to dismantle the &quot;target&quot; mindset yet he imposes other targets. Look at &quot;Blairs babes&quot; - do you think they have made a positive impact on the Commons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that the all-women shortlist imposed by the Party is at odds with local democracy. DC says he wants to dismantle the &#8220;target&#8221; mindset yet he imposes other targets. Look at &#8220;Blairs babes&#8221; &#8211; do you think they have made a positive impact on the Commons?</p>
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