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	<title>Comments on: Time to review interns&#8217; pay in Westminster</title>
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		<title>By: Ellee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, this issue is surely non-political and the EDM has all-party parliamentary support. If the only way a long term internment can be secured in cases like Martine&#039;s where it is an integral part of their degree, then yes, we should have a broader view about helping them financially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, this issue is surely non-political and the EDM has all-party parliamentary support. If the only way a long term internment can be secured in cases like Martine&#8217;s where it is an integral part of their degree, then yes, we should have a broader view about helping them financially.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Paine</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2009/11/08/time-to-review-interns-pay-in-westminster/comment-page-1/#comment-177215</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Paine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How exactly do I tell you Conservatives apart from Labourites these days? Is it just the things you want the taxpayers to fund that makes the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How exactly do I tell you Conservatives apart from Labourites these days? Is it just the things you want the taxpayers to fund that makes the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Martine Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martine Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s a bit unfair on Ellee, Tom. It isn&#039;t a slur against those of means at all to point out an injustice exists. Your daughter is incredibly lucky you&#039;re able to support her through her internship, but what if you weren&#039;t able to? 

It wouldn&#039;t change her interest in politics, so it shouldn&#039;t affect her ability to pursue experience in the field. Ergo, fair remuneration for full time working hours is necessary to let everyone with a passion for politics have a stab, without getting into horendous debt. 

Frankly, she shouldn&#039;t need to rely on you at all. Family means should make no difference. That&#039;s where the problem lies. 

Furthermore, other industries pay their interns or run schemes to help young people get experience, regardless of background, and without becoming an unpaid workforce. Parliament, of all places, should be leading the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s a bit unfair on Ellee, Tom. It isn&#8217;t a slur against those of means at all to point out an injustice exists. Your daughter is incredibly lucky you&#8217;re able to support her through her internship, but what if you weren&#8217;t able to? </p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t change her interest in politics, so it shouldn&#8217;t affect her ability to pursue experience in the field. Ergo, fair remuneration for full time working hours is necessary to let everyone with a passion for politics have a stab, without getting into horendous debt. </p>
<p>Frankly, she shouldn&#8217;t need to rely on you at all. Family means should make no difference. That&#8217;s where the problem lies. </p>
<p>Furthermore, other industries pay their interns or run schemes to help young people get experience, regardless of background, and without becoming an unpaid workforce. Parliament, of all places, should be leading the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

I was really surprised at your comment as I regarded you are a great Libertarian. I have no grudge against the privileged, and I don&#039;t know how you interpreted that. I believe equal opportunities should  be available to all aspiring political students, but it is a fact of life that experiencing the Westminster bubble is not within reach of many who are not financially supported. It would be impossible to live in London on expenses alone for up to a year without an extra source of funding. 

I don&#039;t see why a student from Sunderland, for example, should be denied this wonderful experience and be expected to work solely with their local branch as there is no comparison; they would never enjoy the same experiences that daughter P is enjoying.

I&#039;m all for internships and recognise it is mutually beneficial. My point is that the work which interns do should be evaluated and they should be paid accordingly if their work is making a valued contribution to the office. If your daughter can manage without it, then that&#039;s fine, but others will need it. The LEA cut Martine&#039;s funding because it did not recognise Westminster as &quot;a teaching institution&quot;. It is certainly outrageous to hear of an MP not paying his interns&#039; expenses which was referred to on the radio programme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I was really surprised at your comment as I regarded you are a great Libertarian. I have no grudge against the privileged, and I don&#8217;t know how you interpreted that. I believe equal opportunities should  be available to all aspiring political students, but it is a fact of life that experiencing the Westminster bubble is not within reach of many who are not financially supported. It would be impossible to live in London on expenses alone for up to a year without an extra source of funding. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why a student from Sunderland, for example, should be denied this wonderful experience and be expected to work solely with their local branch as there is no comparison; they would never enjoy the same experiences that daughter P is enjoying.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for internships and recognise it is mutually beneficial. My point is that the work which interns do should be evaluated and they should be paid accordingly if their work is making a valued contribution to the office. If your daughter can manage without it, then that&#8217;s fine, but others will need it. The LEA cut Martine&#8217;s funding because it did not recognise Westminster as &#8220;a teaching institution&#8221;. It is certainly outrageous to hear of an MP not paying his interns&#8217; expenses which was referred to on the radio programme.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Paine</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2009/11/08/time-to-review-interns-pay-in-westminster/comment-page-1/#comment-177199</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Paine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss P the younger is currently such an unpaid intern. I am happy for her to get experience in Parliament and hope it will help with her politics degree. If they had to pay her and her colleagues, the internships simply wouldn&#039;t be there. I am grateful to the 2 MPs giving her this opportunity for real life experience, but given the comments here perhaps it&#039;s best I don&#039;t name them, eh?

I am sad to read comments about &quot;privilege&quot; from people who should know better. Comments about the hypocrisy of Labour MPs who are materialists by ideology and think everything can be reduced to cash as well as being advocates of minimum wage and benefits systems that combine to keep young working people on the dole would be more appropriate. Better they were low-paid apprentices developing valuable skills than racking up the high scores on their play-stations. No-one is ever going to want to pay them for that.

So I keep feeding her and paying for her accommodation as I did (and will again when the internship&#039;s over) at her University in London. Big deal. I will do it forever if she&#039;s learning something of value that she&#039;s passionate about. That doesn&#039;t make me or her a bad person. 

Don&#039;t tell us how to live our lives please. Who better than her family to &quot;rely&quot; on for &quot;support?&quot; Didn&#039;t the Tories used to claim to be the party of the family? Now families helping each other is a bad thing and something to be associated with &quot;privilege?&quot; For shame, Ellee. Poorer families living in striking distance of Westminster could (and can) do the same. More might if they were not afflicted with the entitlement culture your post sadly reflects. Those living too far away could be interns in MPs constituency or at local party offices.

Ellee, with your talk of &quot;privilege&quot;, sneering at families looking after themselves, and your desire to regulate private arrangements why don&#039;t you and your commenters just join the Labour Party and have done with it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss P the younger is currently such an unpaid intern. I am happy for her to get experience in Parliament and hope it will help with her politics degree. If they had to pay her and her colleagues, the internships simply wouldn&#8217;t be there. I am grateful to the 2 MPs giving her this opportunity for real life experience, but given the comments here perhaps it&#8217;s best I don&#8217;t name them, eh?</p>
<p>I am sad to read comments about &#8220;privilege&#8221; from people who should know better. Comments about the hypocrisy of Labour MPs who are materialists by ideology and think everything can be reduced to cash as well as being advocates of minimum wage and benefits systems that combine to keep young working people on the dole would be more appropriate. Better they were low-paid apprentices developing valuable skills than racking up the high scores on their play-stations. No-one is ever going to want to pay them for that.</p>
<p>So I keep feeding her and paying for her accommodation as I did (and will again when the internship&#8217;s over) at her University in London. Big deal. I will do it forever if she&#8217;s learning something of value that she&#8217;s passionate about. That doesn&#8217;t make me or her a bad person. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t tell us how to live our lives please. Who better than her family to &#8220;rely&#8221; on for &#8220;support?&#8221; Didn&#8217;t the Tories used to claim to be the party of the family? Now families helping each other is a bad thing and something to be associated with &#8220;privilege?&#8221; For shame, Ellee. Poorer families living in striking distance of Westminster could (and can) do the same. More might if they were not afflicted with the entitlement culture your post sadly reflects. Those living too far away could be interns in MPs constituency or at local party offices.</p>
<p>Ellee, with your talk of &#8220;privilege&#8221;, sneering at families looking after themselves, and your desire to regulate private arrangements why don&#8217;t you and your commenters just join the Labour Party and have done with it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ellee</title>
		<link>http://elleeseymour.com/2009/11/08/time-to-review-interns-pay-in-westminster/comment-page-1/#comment-177198</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>60247, of course, you are absolutely right, and thank you. But is that all you have to say on this topic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>60247, of course, you are absolutely right, and thank you. But is that all you have to say on this topic?</p>
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		<title>By: 60247</title>
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		<dc:creator>60247</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stick an apostrophe in the title please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stick an apostrophe in the title please</p>
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		<title>By: Ellee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I think the whole issue needs to be reviewed and the work done by interns should be evaluated. There seems to be a lot of blurring between their role and the work carried out by paid staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I think the whole issue needs to be reviewed and the work done by interns should be evaluated. There seems to be a lot of blurring between their role and the work carried out by paid staff.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Reckons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Reckons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellee - fair play to you for raising this issue and I thoroughly agree with you.

I hope MPs like Phillip Hammond who back in August claimed that to pay interns would be &quot;an abuse of taxpayer funding&quot; (http://www.spectator.co.uk/martinbright/5279651/that-philip-hammond-email-in-full.thtml) are won round to our way of thinking.

Otherwise internships like this will continue to be the preserve of the privileged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellee &#8211; fair play to you for raising this issue and I thoroughly agree with you.</p>
<p>I hope MPs like Phillip Hammond who back in August claimed that to pay interns would be &#8220;an abuse of taxpayer funding&#8221; (<a href="http://www.spectator.co.uk/martinbright/5279651/that-philip-hammond-email-in-full.thtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.spectator.co.uk/martinbright/5279651/that-philip-hammond-email-in-full.thtml</a>) are won round to our way of thinking.</p>
<p>Otherwise internships like this will continue to be the preserve of the privileged.</p>
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